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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:13:00 -
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well, Morsus Mihi sure were rich for an alliance with such AWFUL space
weren't they...
lets think about that a bit... how did they fund 8 titans from a region with 1 high end moon and no decent mining?
answers on a postcard
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ima Near'Jita
Tribute is possibly one of the top 3 regions in the game, mining is very good there, and as the recent "siege" has shown pretty damn safe,
taxi for Mr Manufature please back to Jita...
ahahahahahahaahh
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahah
oh that was good
yeah tribute is definately top 3 region in the game
thanks for that
all that prom and dysp, and all that crokite, how could I be so blind.... hahahha
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:38:00 -
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guys, guys
Morsus Mihi find 135bn ISK a month to fuel over 400 POS, and they build 10 titans, cos they work really hard... its true...
they mine all the veld in tribute and NPC there
thats gives them the 2000 bn isk capfleet they have, and finds them all that ISK for POS fuelling
its true, fluf told me so
no exploiting in that alliance
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Wesley Baird
Originally by: Mr Manufacture guys, guys
Morsus Mihi find 135bn ISK a month to fuel over 400 POS, and they build 10 titans, cos they work really hard... its true...
they mine all the veld in tribute and NPC there
thats gives them the 2000 bn isk capfleet they have, and finds them all that ISK for POS fuelling
its true, fluf told me so
no exploiting in that alliance
Not my alt!! Seriously!
are you sure? you posted 4 minutes after me
it aint looking good
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Aramith
Originally by: Mr Manufacture guys, guys
Morsus Mihi find 135bn ISK a month to fuel over 400 POS, and they build 10 titans, cos they work really hard... its true...
they mine all the veld in tribute and NPC there
thats gives them the 2000 bn isk capfleet they have, and finds them all that ISK for POS fuelling
its true, fluf told me so
no exploiting in that alliance
you know you can say the same thing about a number of alliances. I have heard that BoB has closer to 30 titans not the 15 or so listed in the "known Titans" thread in COAD. I am also sure they a large number of POS to support with fuel.
Or what about AAA i mean they have atleast 11 titans and they claim space and are bound to have quite a few POS up and running as well.
Are you just upset because you tried to get into a corp in morsus mihi and got rejected? Or did whatever corp/alliance your main belongs to get beat up on when they attacked/were attacked by MM?
BoB have moon income which is off the scale. Do you have any idea how many high end moons and T2 BPO's they have? They've been rich for a very long time.
Morsus Mihi however have had barely a handful of high-ends. There is NO OTHER ALLIANCE in the whole game who fuel the amount of POS they do, have 10+ titans, and free dreads/carriers to all members, and live in space as crappy as theirs.
Not a single one. So don't come here and say 'that can apply to any number of alliances' because the truth is that it applies to NONE. Apart from MM.
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: MyOwnSling
Originally by: Ryel Theon
Originally by: Millenia Fallenwing Can someone please prove that BoB did not exploit this, nor were they involved with this.
You know you can't prove a negative, right?
Sure you can, but that's not how it works in the real world. Innocent until proven guilty.
A handy mechanism for MM right now, who are looking dangerously like the alliance who most 'benefitted' from this 'error'
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: MyOwnSling I have neither seen nor heard anything to suggest this aside from your allegations. Not even a peep in alliance. FYI there is a reason your thread got locked.
well, do feel free to tell us how the owners of Tribute can afford 135bn a month in POS fuel and a 2000bn isk cap fleet.
we're all ears
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Aramith
oh yes tribute is a crap region. i gues 11+ systems with crockite (3 that also contain mercoxit and have atleast 18 belts) including one with 30+ belts is complete and total crap. not to mention the complexes mentioned earlier by an MM member (atleast one 10/10 and one 8/10). yeah that is a real crap region. If that is not good enough of a region for you then maybe your standards for what is a good region are a little too high.
didnt you get the memo? high end complexes are no longer static and havent been for a long time
but you go ahead and believe that they fund 10+ titans, hundreds of dreads, and fuel 450 POS through a spot of mining and plex running
it sounds ever so credible
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Orree
Because moon minerals are the only source of income in EVE...lol.
Notwithstanding the complete falsehoods included in your posts, I'm sure if all you say is true, RAWR members will be outed and the guilty players will be banned.
I sincerely and fervently hope that anyone who has committed this exploit is named and shamed, tarred and feathered. If RAWR members are found to be involved and it is shown that RAWR has directly benefited in some way from this exploit, I'll quit RAWR immediately rather than continue to be associated with such cheating and wholesale exploiting. I'm not alone, either.
Something tells me I won't have to make this move, though.
On the other hand, you could be full of cra...oh wai-
Well, I hope you've dropped your roles in preperation, because one of the banned chars has already implicated MM.
It seems to have stemmed from G/TRUST/D2 and the breakaway corps and individuals seem to have taken this 'knowledge' right into Evoke, MH, MM...
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Orree
LOL...your facts are wrong and you want people to prove things based upon them. Get a grip.
RAWR corps split the monthly fuel bills. I used to buy Shiva's fuel every month (last time I did it was around 2-3 months ago). Even when hydrogen isotopes were priced crazy high, we never spent more than 6.5 bn a month for all our towers...Tribute and low-sec. We have not increased our number of towers substantially in quite some time.
Even if we conservatively increase the per corp fuel cost in RAWR to 8 bn a month, we're looking at well less than HALF of what you're claiming is the gospel truth in monthly fuel costs. That doesn't even take into account that a few of our corps have very few towers up and yet I'm assuming a full share in my calculations.
Back under the bridge, troll.
and 10+ titans came out of thin air... oh wai...
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Imperian
Please get a clue first what you are talking about. Throwing alliance-names into this discussion is not very constructive, especially when you have no clue about MM and Tribute and MM's income as you just have proven. Sometimes I wish all those forum-geeks would come into 0.0 so I have the opportunity to beat the livin hell out of them.
Unbelievable. Jesus...
Here is what I know about Tribute: its a crap bit of space with few resources that can in no way even begin to support the bill for your POS fuel
Here is what i know about MM: they own 10+ titans, hundreds of dreads, dozens of moms, trillions of ISK right there
so you tell me, how exactly did an alliance with the worst real estate in eve outwardly become one of the wealthiest entities?
I don't think we need an doctorate in economics to work that one out...
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: NATMav
Originally by: Orree RAWR corps split the monthly fuel bills. I used to buy Shiva's fuel every month (last time I did it was around 2-3 months ago). Even when hydrogen isotopes were priced crazy high, we never spent more than 6.5 bn a month for all our towers...Tribute and low-sec. We have not increased our number of towers substantially in quite some time.
Approximately how many towers are you covering with 6.5 billion?
450
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: NATMav
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Originally by: NATMav
Originally by: Orree RAWR corps split the monthly fuel bills. I used to buy Shiva's fuel every month (last time I did it was around 2-3 months ago). Even when hydrogen isotopes were priced crazy high, we never spent more than 6.5 bn a month for all our towers...Tribute and low-sec. We have not increased our number of towers substantially in quite some time.
Approximately how many towers are you covering with 6.5 billion?
450
Well he said 6.5B was his corp's share. I don't want to assume that every corp has an equal share.
anyone who has even casually scanned Tribute and MM's lowsec reaction POS will know his figure is pure BS in terms of their total pos fuel bill
we are talking HUNDREDS of POS and thats easy to verify right now with a cov ops and a few clicks on the scanner
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jose Jimenez
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Originally by: NATMav
Originally by: Orree RAWR corps split the monthly fuel bills. I used to buy Shiva's fuel every month (last time I did it was around 2-3 months ago). Even when hydrogen isotopes were priced crazy high, we never spent more than 6.5 bn a month for all our towers...Tribute and low-sec. We have not increased our number of towers substantially in quite some time.
Approximately how many towers are you covering with 6.5 billion?
450
To this guy that is trolling and is spreading lies outward about MM and has either been recently wtfpwnd by them ingame or a pretty bitter person / probably both / and who just wanted to take this opportunity and accuse without any evidence whatsoever, one of the most respectable alliance ingame:
Do not worry, CCP will ban you for posting unfounded and untruthfull accusations in a thread that is meant to actually shed some light on the subject of this exploit. If you knew any of the corp and ppl in MM there is no way you would ever accuse of exploiting or stealing anything. IF you are jealous about their ashievemnts ingame it is another matter but I suspect, since MM leader is CSM chairman CCP will FOR ONCE come out clean in all this and name names and alliances responsible with a detailed explanation.
In the mean time you can troll as much as you want.
cheers
I provided a broadly accurate count of the total number of POS run by that alliance.
Do feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Manufacture on 11/12/2008 20:56:13
Originally by: Orree
Originally by: NATMav
Originally by: Orree RAWR corps split the monthly fuel bills. I used to buy Shiva's fuel every month (last time I did it was around 2-3 months ago). Even when hydrogen isotopes were priced crazy high, we never spent more than 6.5 bn a month for all our towers...Tribute and low-sec. We have not increased our number of towers substantially in quite some time.
Approximately how many towers are you covering with 6.5 billion?
These are Shiva numbers.
Scattered around Branch, Venal, Lonetrek and Tribute, we have about 111 towers of all sizes...about half of which are offline placeholders. I got confirmation that our monthly fuel bill is about 5b. As I said...I'm more than willing to assume a conservative 8b to prove a point.
just...lol
do you know how much it costs to fuel one large POS?
according to you MM own a total of approx 15 large pos based on those numbers
i dont think so...
in other news: this had been confirmed by an Evoke director as having been a bug since 2004
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jose Jimenez
Whose ever alliance alt you are, you are a sad little man, and no amount of lies,accusations, false staments you make on these forums will take away the fact that you are jsut a silly little lying troll with 0 achievements in game.
Wanna take a bet if any operations,titan, pos or member of the alliance you are lying about was funded by this? Wanna put up 10-20B in it? count me in against your bet if you have anything except big mouth to support these lies you make and relax kiddo, you are way to much stressed about being beaten by mm ingame.
erm, accusations cannot be lies... the most they can be is incorrect
and.. as for the evoke director... go read SHC and weep
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: GuntiNDDS http://www.eve-online.de/forum/showpost.php?p=282164&postcount=187
Originally by: Baumi Aber es hat mich eh gewundert das es so lange nicht rausgekommen ist, sogar ich weiŻ seit nber nem Jahr das das geht
Originally by: Translation But it surprised me it wasn't disclosed for so long, even I have known for over a year that it (the Pos exploit) is possible
Corp: Free Space Ranger - Morsus Mihi [/code]
ker-ching
hate to say I told you so...
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Orree
Why yes, I do. Between 75-100m for a large tower, depending upon how fitted, in sov 1+ (where the vast majority of our towers are located). We have 55 large towers in total.
I think you're confusing the cost per week, with the cost per month... doh
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Norwood Franskly Edited by: Norwood Franskly on 11/12/2008 21:15:33
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Originally by: GuntiNDDS http://www.eve-online.de/forum/showpost.php?p=282164&postcount=187
Originally by: Baumi Aber es hat mich eh gewundert das es so lange nicht rausgekommen ist, sogar ich weiŻ seit nber nem Jahr das das geht
Originally by: Translation But it surprised me it wasn't disclosed for so long, even I have known for over a year that it (the Pos exploit) is possible
Corp: Free Space Ranger - Morsus Mihi [/code]
ker-ching
hate to say I told you so...
you just got trolled
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eve-online.de%2Fforum%2Fshowpost.php%3Fp%3D282164%26postcount%3D187&sl=de&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
and you just relied on internet translation, which is always accurate
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Grey
Originally by: Blazde This brief interlude because I care about Orree's sanity
Originally by: Mr Manufacture Unsubstantiated and uninformed accusations by an anonymous alt
An alt: http://www.eve-search.com/search/author/Mr%20Manufacture/page/4
Who posted this: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/488235
(A chatlog between the character 'O Thief' and the character 'crazy bear' in which 'O Thief' gets scammed out of a t2 BPO)
Further on in the thread our (now less) anonymous alt posts this:
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
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I mean, I accept just about everything thrown my way, but drawn the line at losing out on a technicality of which I was unaware and not warned by the auction system.
So who is O Thief, could it possibly be someone with a grudge aginst RAWR?
http://www.eve-search.com/history/O%20Thief
Quote: 2008-01-25 11:14:00 O Thief The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
Another one of those (minority) of Insurgency members who let down the alliance.
Say hello to Butter Dog for me please O Thief. You must know him well since your employment histories are so similar.
Now I feel dirty and must shower. Thankyou once again Chribba.
LOL Bitterdog got PWNED !!!!
oh please, that tard isnt even subbed
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Grey
Originally by: Orree
Originally by: NATMav
Originally by: Orree These are Shiva numbers.
Scattered around Branch, Venal, Lonetrek and Tribute, we have about 111 towers of all sizes...about half of which are offline placeholders. I got confirmation that our monthly fuel bill is about 5b. As I said...I'm more than willing to assume a conservative 8b to prove a point.
Thank you.
From my experience, 10 larges runs around 1.5B for 4 weeks of fuel, meaning 5B would cover around 33 large online towers and 8B would cover about 53 large online towers. Again, those are estimates for large online towers, smaller or offlined towers would obviously require less ISK, and ice could have been mined as well to reduce costs.
Either way, assuming all "450" towers were large and online, which would indeed be insane, we're talking about 67.5B in fuel per month. Even that insane amount could be farmed out of legitimate moon mining and/or reactions.
...and so my assertion is proved to be completely on the money and his assertion of 135bn is found to be complete nonsense. Thank you.
You're arguing with Butter Dog/Mr Manufacture.....have you no shame !!!
you, sir, need to learn the art of good trolling
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Elecho this has just been pulled from the eve-o main page now... already starting to sweep it under the carpet
careful what you say, or CCP might just find a little too much ferrogel in your hangar
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Manufacture on 11/12/2008 21:46:13
Originally by: Julian Grey
I wasn't trolling butters....
Why you still using the Mr Manufacture char to post? Now that the secret's out, its time for Butter Dog's truimphant and very bitter return.
i already told you he is not subbed atm
and while I'm at it, telling people to post with their main on an alt aint exactly high class ;)
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Grey
Resub already so we can watch the drama without the whole alt suspense.
no thanks, he is resting in peace
why dont you post with your main anyway, whilst we're on the subject
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Originally by: Elecho this has just been pulled from the eve-o main page now... already starting to sweep it under the carpet
careful what you say, or CCP might just find a little too much ferrogel in your hangar
Perhaps you should pack a little more ferrogel in your own hanger, it might keep you from acting so butthurt all the time.
already sold all my ferrogel for a tidy profit ;)
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Grey
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Originally by: Julian Grey
Resub already so we can watch the drama without the whole alt suspense.
no thanks, he is resting in peace
why dont you post with your main anyway, whilst we're on the subject
I'm not on forum warfare mode...so no need to use my main.
Though I must say, it's pretty poor form to accuse people of cheating with no evidence. Your constant flaming of MM/NC not withstanding, I used to think Butter Dog was a pretty OK guy....so slightly disappointed. Wesley Baird seems to be runnign around making the same accusations as well...though he tries to be very subtle about it. Meh...human nature I suppose.
I find it all hilarious tbh
and it is :)
i'm sure there is plenty more drama to come
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Grey
Well it's one thing calling MM carebears or blobbers or whatever...thats really quite amusing but accusing people of being cheaters is a bit OTT.
oh, please... tell someone who cares
it made me laugh, and thats good enough
its not like MM didnt accuse bob of haxspoilting at the start of max... if you want epic lulz eve-search those coad whine threads
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Azeneth Mannerheim
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Originally by: Julian Grey
Well it's one thing calling MM carebears or blobbers or whatever...thats really quite amusing but accusing people of being cheaters is a bit OTT.
oh, please... tell someone who cares
it made me laugh, and thats good enough
its not like MM didnt accuse bob of haxspoilting at the start of max... if you want epic lulz eve-search those coad whine threads
Why are you so angry :I
oh yeah, i'm so angry I'm shaking with rage
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: MyOwnSling
Originally by: Ryel Theon Go look up 'negative proof' in wikipedia.
Did you even read the article? The first two lines show that it doesn't apply here. You can indeed prove a negative. But you cannot use lack of evidence for the negative as proof of the positive. And that is all I am saying. You can easily prove that someone did not do something. You just can't infer lack of proof of that to mean that they did do it.
is that like the evidence you had when you whined on CAOD about BoB haxsploits?
suck it up MM, the shoe is fitting rather nicely
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: MyOwnSling I wouldn't know, I don't post there.
And neither did your alt, or indeed any MM alt. Oh no, you're an honourable alliance
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jose Jimenez
Listen little troll and liar, you should pretty much be banned for all the trolls you are putting up here. If you are bitter about someone beating you ingame , thats cool, but dont be a kid about it and tell lies on these forums in an official CCP thread. Since you have no proof whatsoever, no corp or players of the alliance you are acusing have been affected how about you suck it up and try not to use this as a way to bash on a completely fair and square alliance and ppl playing this game. yeah ?
You still up for that bet kiddo. the one i posted about a couple pages back ?
you sound angry
where does your one man corp get the isk to place bets defending MM?
hmmm... is that ferrogel in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Originally by: MyOwnSling I wouldn't know, I don't post there.
And neither did your alt, or indeed any MM alt. Oh no, you're an honourable alliance
Hang in there, eventually "someone" will pay attention to your rants, other than to laugh at you.
Hey, anything's possible....
have you even read the thread? the 'cream' of MM are on maximum damage control, its hilarious
i need more popcorn
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.15 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Aramith
Originally by: KAELA MENSHA when was sisi last mirrored If they back up the database onto sisi they can see who was cheating
just by flying around and screen shotting
no they cant.
before the database makes it to sisi, they remove all POS and science and industry jobs from the database. This is because back a few years ago someone decided to use the sisi server to get all the info on POS set up on TQ so that they could easily steam roll those POS without much effort. This allowed them to get ahold of systems by going after the weaker towers before the defenders knew what was going on. Since then the ability to gain intel by logging into the test server was removed.
yeah, because its so hard flying around in a cov ops / shuttle / noob ship clicking on the scanner button
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